Comments on: Winners and Losers in the Citizenship Birth Lottery https://bahaiteachings.org/winners-and-losers-in-the-citizenship-birth-lottery/ Personal perspectives inspired by Baha'i teachings Tue, 06 Jan 2026 18:24:41 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.3.2 By: Philip Dunne https://bahaiteachings.org/winners-and-losers-in-the-citizenship-birth-lottery/#comment-70963 Tue, 06 Jan 2026 18:24:41 +0000 http://bahaiteachings.org/?p=27676#comment-70963 Our over-population crisis is not due to strictly numbers, but to our in acceptance of “others.” Even in humanity’s earliest days of Cain and Abel, at least one man thought he was not his brother’s keeper, so he did him in.

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By: Shamsheer Ali https://bahaiteachings.org/winners-and-losers-in-the-citizenship-birth-lottery/#comment-15753 Mon, 14 Dec 2015 08:04:24 +0000 http://bahaiteachings.org/?p=27676#comment-15753 A well written series. I am going to translate and publish in in Urdu language (Pakistan) in blog .

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By: Lindsay Clarke https://bahaiteachings.org/winners-and-losers-in-the-citizenship-birth-lottery/#comment-15080 Thu, 10 Sep 2015 12:50:56 +0000 http://bahaiteachings.org/?p=27676#comment-15080 In reply to Lindsay Clarke.

Pam Erdman Hi Pam. You ask many questions and a reply that would answer them satisfactorily would need to be in the form of a disseration. I will attempt to give you a summary of the points that I think are relevant to what is happening in Europe today. Australia went through the common occurrance of having an ancient indigenous population that was colonised by a European power. At first the new government did not attempt to prevent further migrations but by 1900 it had decided it only wanted white migrants and passed those restrictions into law. After a referendum in 1972 the indigenous population became allowed to vote. Later in the decade Australia experienced its first government sanctioned refugee programme when Vietnames escaping from communist rule were able to migrate here. That programme despite experiencing some assimilation problems was eventually successful with the Vietnamese community becoming a valuable asset for Australia. At the same time the Prime Minister Malcolm Fraser decided he wanted to help the relatives of the Australian Lebanese Christian community who had been coming here for over 200 years (one exception to the White Australia policy, being Christian and almost white was enough), to escape from the Lebanese Civil War. He opened the door for anyone in Lebanon who had relatives here. PM Fraser allowed the Lebanese govt to decide who could come. After 11 months the Australian government realised the majority of the new migrants were quite dissimilar to those already here. Most were poor, illiterate and rural. They had poor personal hygiene and were of doubtful character. (The Australian, Jan/1/2007) The government reversed its permission and stopped the flow after about 100,000 had been allowed in. This group and their children have since become one of the major contributors to criminal activity in Sydney. They have aggregated mainly to about 6 suburbs which are known to be violent and dangerous, much of the second generation have studiously avoided becoming educated. Two years ago an Education Department report indicated that only 3% of the major Muslim public high school in Auburn carried on to teritary study. Approximately 25 of the first wave of migrants are in maximum security prison after being found guilty of preparing terrorist attacks in Australia. This group is now about 400,000 strong and is creating the most serious social difficulties for governments here, especially that of NSW. In 2007 under a new Labour government the rules for Middle Eastern refugee immigration were relaxed again and a further 50,000 were allowed in after minimal checking. Almost all of these migrants were advised to destroy their documents so that Australian officials could not positively identify them, thus making it easier for them to claim refugee status. In 2013 a Centrelink (department of social services) report said that 85% of that wave of migration was still on social security benefits. I think Pam, this shows the necessity of border control and the proper vetting of so called refugees. Whenever a mass movement begins, usually accompanied by the cries of the compassionate left, many of the migrants are indeed not escaping danger, just looking for a better opportunity for themselves. This is natural enough but orderly proper checks are needed. The young boy who drowned, Aylan Kurdi is a case in point. His father was in the process of applying to migrate to Canada. I heard his Canadian sister interviewed, she said he told her not to pursue the Canadian application, that he was going to Germany, where his new teeth would be provided free. Pam, my feeling is that the compassionate Left of the West sets our governments up to become playthings in the hands of the foolish…. ‘The Secret of Divine Civilisation’. Their caving in to the carping of the compassionate bleeding hearts is an indeological threat to the future of the enlightened West. Thanks for your interest. Lindsay.

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By: Pam Erdman https://bahaiteachings.org/winners-and-losers-in-the-citizenship-birth-lottery/#comment-15079 Wed, 09 Sep 2015 19:59:55 +0000 http://bahaiteachings.org/?p=27676#comment-15079 In reply to Lindsay Clarke.

Lindsay, thanks for your comments. I do not know what happened in the 1980 in Australia, but I would really like to understand the issue of migrants better, so could you give us a tutorial? Wo were the first generation of migrants? What were they like? Did they assimilate? Learn English? Find jobs? Did they soak up lots of national resources? what did they contribute? How did native-born Australians think about them? What problems did they cause? Same questions about the second generation. Thanks for taking the time to explain. I think about this issue a lot. Need more data.

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By: Jeanine Goodson Hensley https://bahaiteachings.org/winners-and-losers-in-the-citizenship-birth-lottery/#comment-14748 Sun, 06 Sep 2015 15:48:37 +0000 http://bahaiteachings.org/?p=27676#comment-14748 IMO, an important and well-written article. I will add that many other aspects of the Baha’i Faith’s approach cannot possibly fit into a single short piece–or many. The solution is far more than simply throwing open the doors.

There are Baha’i models (currently in practice) for community-based, self-run programs for the poor and others, along with application of principles of social justice so that people are not simply dependent refugees who overload the system for everyone. I see these programs as essential. One of their unique features is their ability to function in the midst of seeming utter chaos, such as what happened just after the recent cyclone on Vanuatu. Well-practiced young people from the Jr Youth Spiritual Empowerment Groups, both Baha’is and their friends, spontaneously arose and began to help neighbors rebuild and replant, as well as coordinate rescue efforts, before government and other entities could reach their communities. Impressive stuff.

This article lays out a strong ethical case for accepting immigrants in times of international crisis. I hope the author, in his continuing series on this important topic, covers some of its practical aspects as well as he did this principled one. IMO, of course.

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By: Lindsay Clarke https://bahaiteachings.org/winners-and-losers-in-the-citizenship-birth-lottery/#comment-14746 Sun, 06 Sep 2015 14:10:41 +0000 http://bahaiteachings.org/?p=27676#comment-14746 David. A naive view of World Citizenship that is just as arbitrary if not more than the birth lottery of life. Over time different societies have emerged in their own time from the world of barbarity. To protect their new found freedoms they drew borders around themselves. They know, especially in modern times of high mobility that it would take very little movement of populations to overwhelm all the progress they have made. The British, much criticised for their colonial policies had taken almost 1500 years of internal battles fought to a standstill, to realise the worth of national unity for the establishment of peace. Those nations still fighting civil wars will have to learn the same lesson as the UK did. In times of mass migration not all the migrants are of good intent and honest heart. The opportunists with the same evil intent prevailing at home also move. These people are the problem of an open borders policy. They will feel no obligation to a new country, they will just see an opportunity for personal success motivated by much the same ideals they had before. Australia discovered this to its detriment in the 1980’s, after an 11 month period of essentially open borders to middle eastern countries. The Australian government showed the same naivety as is now being called for by many well intentioned commentators, including those from the Baha’i Faith. The first born generation of those immigrants are now causing disproportionate amounts of difficulty for commuities in Australia. They are poorly educated, poorly motivated and many find their income in the world of crime. If the members of the Baha’i Faith wish to contribute meaningfully to this debate they need to see the world as it is, rather than as it will probably be in 500 years. Repitition of meaningless slogan type platitudes about being ‘one world’ do nothing to further the discussion about what is happening now. Borders cannot be taken down but political moves can be made to ensure the safety of the people fleeing and the stability of their homelands. If people address real issues that exist today then progress will be made.

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By: Luisa Fano https://bahaiteachings.org/winners-and-losers-in-the-citizenship-birth-lottery/#comment-14745 Sat, 05 Sep 2015 22:59:57 +0000 http://bahaiteachings.org/?p=27676#comment-14745 Me to agree and believe that the world is one family and there should be no discrimination due to any such factors as country,state,community,caste,creed etc. we have to live all as a family in a world without boundaries.

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By: Bharat Somnath Nerkar https://bahaiteachings.org/winners-and-losers-in-the-citizenship-birth-lottery/#comment-14742 Sat, 05 Sep 2015 16:28:32 +0000 http://bahaiteachings.org/?p=27676#comment-14742 Lets alll live as a family in a world without boundaries…

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By: Bharat Somnath Nerkar https://bahaiteachings.org/winners-and-losers-in-the-citizenship-birth-lottery/#comment-14741 Sat, 05 Sep 2015 16:28:03 +0000 http://bahaiteachings.org/?p=27676#comment-14741 I agree and believe that the world is one family and there should be no discrimination due to any such factors as country, state, community, caste, creed etc…

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